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Comment by Lisa St. Louis on December 3, 2007 at 5:57pm
Laura do Hebrew names like Jesse and David decline in Latin Christmas carols? I don't think so. There is no O come thou rod of Jesse (genitive) is there?

Comment by Laura Gibbs on December 3, 2007 at 6:35pm
Hi Lisa, the effort in both Latin and Greek to cope with Hebrew names is a FASCINATING question, and very complicated because of the nature of Hebrew, the influence of different Greek traditions on the Latin, etc. etc.

Some of the names do decline - but most of them do not. It makes you realize how really handy it is to have those word endings after all, when you are stuck trying to figure out the grammatical role of a word in a sentence without any word-ending clues! In the Vulgate Verses book that I just finished doing, I treated the proper names as special nouns, grouping them together - and in the Study Guides I'm writing to go with the book, helping people recognize the case of those nouns will be one of my top priorities. For example, one of the most commonly used names in the Bible, Israhel, does not decline, so you really have to watch out and be careful to think about what case it is in! "Ego Deus Israhel" means "I am the God of Israel," not "I am the God Israel"!

Jesse is a very interesting case - he is Iesse sometimes, but also Isai. With either spelling, the name does not decline.
Comment by Lisa St. Louis on December 3, 2007 at 6:43pm
That is pretty much what I figured. I knew about the peculiarities of Greek names but I hadn't really thought about Hebrew until I started taking Biblical Hebrew with Dr. Dallal at RWU.

Hebrew is a real eye-opener. I thought drawing Russian characters was bad until I tried the Hebrew alphabet. I asked Dr. Dallal to choose a textbook that showed the correct order in which the strokes making up each character should be drawn. The fact that some of the letters mean something else if you add a dot is not helping matters...haha!

Comment by Laura Gibbs on December 3, 2007 at 8:09pm
Oh Lisa, I totally understand what you mean - I took Hebrew at OU with an absolutely delightful Israeli professor. We all adored him, but his handwriting was awful - so it was basically like learning the language 100% orally, since we could never read anything at all that he wrote on the chalkboard!!! :-)
Comment by Lisa St. Louis on December 3, 2007 at 8:25pm
Our prof is a Jewish gentleman from Iraq. He has his own special language...so any discussion posts you see as him are actually translated via me.

Come on over to the discussion on RWU. Tonight the kids are debating learning Koine first vs learning Classical Greek first and they want an expert opinion. This is a good chance to introduce you and you may get a Koine student out of it.

Oh also if you need to see any courses which you are blocked from entering just let me know.
Comment by Laura Gibbs on December 3, 2007 at 11:45pm
Hi Lisa, thanks so much for the access to your Moodle system; I am looking forward to exploring! whoo-hoo! :-)


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